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, and that is president barack obama. you have had dinner with president obama several times, as a group of historians summoned to talk with him. you have an impression on him? compare kennedy and obama in terms of leadership style and temperment. >> first off, i would say that if it weren't for kennedy i don't know that obama ever would have made it to the white house. because kennedy broke the hold of the protestant -- white protestant male on the office and opened the idea it could be a much broader group that can think about running for the office, and when we see a woman as president in the not too distant future -- not lobbying for anybody now -- >> nonpartisan -- >> that's why i said that. and -- but we will see a woman, and at some point we may see an asian american, hispanic, but i think obama's presence there can be traced back to kennedy. and obama's quite interested in kennedy and interested in the history of the presidency. we have had four dinners with him, and at the first dinner he wanted to talk about how other presidents had achieved their transformative presidency. roosevelt, woodro
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